Matters of opinion

[DualSlayer]

It has become apparent to myself as well as many others on this forum as well as political figures, celebrities that write movies, for the sole purpose of unveiling layers of the collective unconscious, that 2012 is indeed the end date of this dream state we have been in for so very long. But, it is my belief that there must come a character of this time before things will begin to rapidly change for the better. This person, which i believe will be a young man, will be perceived as the antichrist to some, and 2nd coming of christ to induce the wave of christ consciousness to others. I have asked myself, where does this person reside, what is he doing at this moment, and why indeed does he wait. If this whole concept is not purely delusional, than what will happen if this character of sorts chooses to stay "asleep", or worse yet end his of her life. What will happen if the line of the luciferic god/archetype has been severed, what kind of ending will unfold.

I have taken into account ideas which have been presented in the book " Nothing in this book is true but its exactly the way things are". Such as The idea of the "Greys" which Mr. Pinchbeck touched on in his book, but did not take the whole concept seriously. Its my opinion that these beings are extra dimensional and are in fact running out of time, and are feeding off of the human spirit/love to try and regenerate. This is the whole reaon why these beings have not unveiled themselves to the world on a vast scale, or worst yet exterminate the human species. This would explain one side of the coin of our rapid technological advancements, within the past roughly 2 hundred years. Keep in mind this theory is indeed one sighted but when you draw the lines between the dots there is no longer conincidence only vision. I have left many aspects such as "UFOS", crop circles, pope john paul the 2nd sitting on a chair with an upside down cross on it, as well, bush representing the west's state of religious moral decay, etc. as several others which all have a place in theory. Id like to further discuss these among other subjects, depending on this forums members response. Id love to hear any ones ideas or criticisms constructive of not on the subject.

Peace Blaze one in the same

[Somantics]

People have had all kinds of instincts about the impending change, so much so that it’d be very hard to dismiss everyone of them as misplaced, delusional or idiotic (although some of them most assuredly are)! As for me I have no idea where to place my expectations. On the one hand no one could fail to see a massive acceleration in technological and cultural ‘progress’ ecological shutdown and rise in esoteric belief. Is the latter merely a reaction to the former – a way for man to try and reconnect to something lost? If that’s the case then the argument is circular because it seems to confirm that humans are more than we see in the everyday.

I have a sense about Mckenna, Pinchbeck, and Wilson et al all holding pieces of the puzzle but constantly need to warn myself away from escapist and /or utopian theories. I believe that something is coming and that we have to be ready. Repetitions of history are already happening, prophecies seem to be aligning and the climate is most assuredly changing but is it just disaster or is it the long discussed expansion of consciousness that I hope for?

In one sense the problem is that every assertion has another questions tagged onto it, but in another that’s an advantage because it may just be that we are learning, finally, to live in a world where we can accept that some truths carry no final analysis; UFO’s, crop circles and even the origin of life definitely fall in that category! Maybe our minds are made to contain the mystery without breaking it apart?

Anyway one things for sure – the time for choices is rapidly slipping away so the best thing to do, as far as I can see, is to live lightly, consume organically, care for life, short your cultural programming by acting outside of negative expectations and get fit and strong. That way you’ll be improving yours and everyone else’s life regardless of the challenges to come.

[DualSlayer]

Thanx for the reply, i like your attitude.Maybe our minds are made to contain the mystery without breaking it apart? I think perhaps on some subconscious level we already know. One idea i didnt mention is that perhaps afters 2012, if the polar shifts do occur. We will adopt the 13 month calender and realign ourselves within the cosmic scheme. This would make sense of the prophesy that after the 2nd coming apocolypse...... there will be a 1000 year rain of peace etc. (if my facts aren't that off). any comments

[DualSlayer]

Does'nt that make sense. 12 months in the year afters 2012, we may return to our true nature, embracing the feminine aspects of creation which have been repressed for so long. pure speculation but it makes sense to me.

[Somantics]

Do you believe in prophesy? Wouldn’t that mean that in one sense the future has already occurred and nothing now could avert the plan? Or maybe we are all part of a fabulously baroque mechanism – although this much we already sort of know. Personally I prefer to see the whol thing as a work in progress – a constant re-editing, redesigning and co-creation of circumstance and emotion. In this scenario we’re still free to choose inside our current options (which naturally all have cause and effect), and align ourselves with a positive wave to crash over the current negative slumber. Now more than ever sides are being chosen!

Anyway dual slayer how have you come to your ideas – are they informed by any thing in particular? Are your notions intuitive or knowledge based? If they’re anything like mine they’ve evolved from intuitive beginnings encouraged by daily corroboration through word of mouth, books and synchronicity. I have no idea if they’re right though

[DualSlayer]

Ive come to my ideas mainly through a feeling of intuition backed by knowledge from many different sources. As well I've been experiencing an increasing frequency of synchronicities within the past roughly 3 years. I like your notion of an ever evolving scheme through emotion and cause and effect, but i do think that humanity is predestined to a certain extent. I think that we have important choices to make as a whole community meaning the entire species, which has led us to where we are today and where we will be tomorrow. If only we would stop and listen to our "hearts", that intuition within us that can not necessarily be descerned through words, but is which i at least define as a sense of compassion, our true human nature. perhaps then we could set our compass in an other direction and break free from this curse.

[DualSlayer]

If we all stopped working there would be a stick cast into the spoke.
We are the silent masses
The ones who chose to be the witness
of this departing travesty
How we become so frail

So get a comfy seat in front of the window.
Soon this dream will come to end
We will all take flight, and begin to ascent
Into another one of mayas destinations
The next earths incarnation

Freedoms have all become lost
Turns out there never was a definition
Just one side of the coin, our loss
we should stand at all costs
we're all too busy fighting
I will no longer stay silent
Although no one seems to listen to the hollow

[lovemanifest]

I believe each octave of existence offers unique opportunities for the evolution of Consciousness. Although there are many others, my favorite teachers about this are the Maya. They left very specific information about these times--and how to join them--as we stand at the razor's edge of this cosmic spiral.

I embrace these times wholeheartedly. As I learn, explore, and live my purpose and dreams, my life just gets better. Each day I become lighter and more radiant, and I feel waves of ecstacy flutter through me. Tag, you're it!

[Damien]

Originally posted by DualSlayer:
It has become apparent to myself as well as many others on this forum as well as political figures, celebrities that write movies, for the sole purpose of unveiling layers of the collective unconscious, that 2012 is indeed the end date of this dream state we have been in for so very long. But, it is my belief that there must come a character of this time before things will begin to rapidly change for the better. This person, which i believe will be a young man, will be perceived as the antichrist to some, and 2nd coming of christ to induce the wave of christ consciousness to others. I have asked myself, where does this person reside, what is he doing at this moment, and why indeed does he wait. If this whole concept is not purely delusional, than what will happen if this character of sorts chooses to stay "asleep", or worse yet end his of her life. What will happen if the line of the luciferic god/archetype has been severed, what kind of ending will unfold.

Trust me, I am not asleep...very much awake. I am working on spreading the goodword as much as possible... [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Zehn]

amen to that! we're the ones we've been waiting for...

[craazyman]

Each day I'm more and more amazed at what many people have to endure simply to be alive. As Isaiah said, faces with the scars of the saints, enduring the flagellation of the stations of the cross. And then you meet one who has suffered, and you feel a calm soul power and effortless affirmation so strong you're uplifted and miserably humbled at the same time. Where does this come from? Not Peru, or Lourdes or a Mayan pyramid or the top of Mount Shasta. It's around every corner of every street, right in front of you, and you can't see it and neither can I. I suppose you have to be pressed to the absolute wall to find it, or maybe that will kill you. It's a tough price of admission.

[Isaiah Mpski]

Lord CM,we're putting our trot lines out tonight.Wouldn't be surprised to have a couple of 30 pounders by the morning.
Yes live is cruel and heartless made worse by a mentality that seems to want to control the whole world.
I suffer with each and everyone and wish I had the power to change all their lives for the better.
Maybe in time,maybe when people hear my story and a movie is finally made like the Scientolgists promised(that is a story in itself).
For it has been an epic journey and I am blessed.

[DualSlayer]

I suggest you guys watch loose change second edition on youtube.com. It exposes the bush administration and the new world order for what they have done and what they are capable of doing. I believe that we as human beings play an integral part of what has and is unfolding in the universe. To use the metaphor of the celtice knot, our consciousness plays a major role in stabilizing reality and the cosmos into creation. In that sense we will decide the fate/destiny of the cosmos in a sense whether this is predetermined or not.

[albente]

If we come to a point where a message can be sent to the future than the future can communicate back to us, a short circuit within time so to say. A dimentional shift is the result.

Check out the video of Terrence McKenna and Rupert Sheldrake that I posted under Daniel's Buring Man 2K6 talk where Terrence presents this idea. Absolute mind boggeling and in itself conclusive!

[Zehn]

send a messege to the future?

that's simply so fucking crazy that it makes sense.. i'm unable to catch the video at the moment. please elaborate.

[albente]

Go to 'video.google.com' do a search on 'Sheldrake' and the first two videos listed (identical) are the talk that I refer to. You need a fast connection obviously.

Also interesting is to do a search on 'Pesce'.
The first result 'Alien Dimensions' also features Terrence McKenna.

This guy Mark Pesce is actually quite interesting and when you do a search under HYPERPEOPLE you can listen to the visual remix of a speech about Bit Torrent, a suppressed communications technology that might also lead to something like some sort of a fusion. Not that he developed it, but the fact that he puts such an emphasis on it leads me to suspect that he is onto something here.

[ September 13, 2006, 03:27 PM: Message edited by: albente ]

[Zehn]

Finally got it working! Thanks... very cool videos.

[gandydancer]

Here is a good site with recordings. I listened to a bit of the Mark Pesce, but was not much interested in that sort of thing.

I listened to all of Houston Smith and really liked it. In fact I'm going to listen again this morning while I can peaches.

I also listened to Margaret Ferguson, not so much for information since it turned out that it was recorded way back in the 80's when she came out with her book "The Aguarian Conspiracy", which was my "Bible" for so many years. Many times I have wondered how it happened that I found that book since information was not so freely passed around as it is today.

http://www.futurehi.net/media.html

[albente]

Accurate description of the content of this post. It is less the specific data transfer but rather the medium that is at work, isn't it?

I myself am just picking up more media stream from Terrence McKenna, who I did not know much about so far, but once the guy hits, he hits you staight.

Keep the transmission going!!!!!!!

[ September 18, 2006, 11:52 PM: Message edited by: albente ]

[Zehn]

I know what you mean... I first got turned on to Mckenna a couple of years back while reading some of his written work. But when I found deoxy.org and heard the spoken word, he blew me to pieces!

I would just like to thank everyone on the forum for all the great work you're doing.. It's great having resources like BOTH to come to and share ideas, etc.

[DualSlayer]

the extra dimensionsl beings who are in postion of control are begining to lose form, cnn told me so

[drew hempel]

" Nothing in this book is true but its exactly the way things are". is a book that just promotes the CIA Stargate Conspiracy via Drunvalo Melchizadek, etc.

[DualSlayer]

i think you are a smart person as far as being intelectual goes drew... the cia is a gear in the system as we all are even weather u will admit it or not... there are some valid points in that book... i sugest u read " the intellects advatage" as far as the cia goes perhaps u are under their control, think about that... telepathy is a gift and pretty soon it will be, i only mean the truth. good bye

[galactic spiral]

Originally Posted by Somantics

Do you believe in prophesy? Wouldn’t that mean that in one sense the future has already occurred and nothing now could avert the plan? Or maybe we are all part of a fabulously baroque mechanism – although this much we already sort of know. Personally I prefer to see the whol thing as a work in progress – a constant re-editing, redesigning and co-creation of circumstance and emotion. In this scenario we’re still free to choose inside our current options (which naturally all have cause and effect), and align ourselves with a positive wave to crash over the current negative slumber. Now more than ever sides are being chosen!

interesting. The idea of predetermination and free will has been a topic of discussion for a long time. If there is free will, then can predetermination really exist? Well, for me this is one of those paradoxes that HAS to exist. meaning, I beleive that we have both free will AND predetermination. How? Well, obviously right now I couldn't tell you, but I do know that in higher states of conciousness the concept was the only thing that could possibly make sense.

Think about it this way, our wills exist in time and space, and within time and space we make decisions, which alter our time and space. Thus, we have free will. However, from the standpoint of eternity, everything that has happened and is about to happen, is already in existance NOW. Thus, it is already predetermined.

How can these two things logically make sense together? Well, they can't, because Eternity exists outside of our logic.


And, since we are on the topic of 2012. My views are thus: 2012 is about 5 years away from now. That is a good goal to try and improve on my spiritual growth and prepare myself for the infinite. If nothing happens, fine. I'm better for it. If something does happen, I'm ready.

[Isaiah Mpski]

What you need to understand that the road to heaven can be made in 3 steps or 7 steps or lives.
That is the purpose of the soul,to serve as the super-ego or the Budha so that our trip in heaven is comfortable as possible.
Eternity exists outside of our logic as do the boundries of space.
I wonder sometimes at my God.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

one way or another i'm looking forward to the year 2013 much more than 2012.

[suebee]

QUOTE: galactic spiral:
"interesting. The idea of predetermination and free will has been a topic of discussion for a long time. If there is free will, then can predetermination really exist? Well, for me this is one of those paradoxes that HAS to exist. meaning, I beleive that we have both free will AND predetermination. How? Well, obviously right now I couldn't tell you, but I do know that in higher states of conciousness the concept was the only thing that could possibly make sense."




maybe its like quantum physics. everything already exists and we chose what we see.

[Caprinardo Delirio]

then how come i'm not playing a jessica alba shaped playstation 10?

[suebee]

i should have said: 'everything already exists and our expectations choose what we see.'

i dont get any of this stuff anyway. the more i read the less i know. the more i experience the less i remember.

[ielectric]

the effort to envision the changes awaited by all should be apparent in the questions we ask.

when we find ourselves claiming an affinity for a particular author while rejecting another, we overlook the fact that the mere process of judging speaks entirely of our own misunderstanding of the self.

in seeking any kind of authority outside our self, we surrender our self to outside authority.

it then follows that we feel diminished by that authority and others, pretending to forget that we sought that authority to begin with.

as cited earlier in this thread, daniel's conclusion to 2012, "we are the ones we have been waiting for" points out the inability to comprehend the self as the time and space in which all change is located.

calendars are tools for material fools.

the end of the calendar indicates an acknowledgment of the immaterial, whereby time and space lose all significance.

while convenient for the sake of "modern" discussion, the tendency to blame someone or something for our perception of evil -- bush or christianity or the left or islam or money, etc. -- is nothing more than primitive idol worship, the investment of totems with authority.

the gadget-love which colors the age of technology retains all the superstitious trappings of the so-called "dark ages," although the shapes of our talismans and amulets, altars and totems have shifted.

the deification of things -- of movie stars and philosophers, of the rich and the famous, of ideas and ideologies, of consumer items like computers and yoga mats, etcetera -- reveals a pervasive lack of confidence in the self as integral to the harmony of the infinite and holistic oneness that is All.

simply by opposing evil, we validate and engender our belief in its existence.

to heal the self is to heal the All.

to do this, one must see that neither the self, nor evil, nor the All needs healing.

only the self can heal.

the self heals by recognizing that nothing needs healing, that all is heal-thy and wholly holistic.

any real change will arise 1st in the imagination -- the recognition that good and evil are outmoded tools for entities damaged by the terrorism of an egotistical fear we have nurtured and nourished from the dawn of history until now -- and the material evidence for real change will not only appear in a fleeting instant, it will be unnecessary.

ecology (the language of home) makes economy (the naming of the home) obsolete.

naming is the accursed magic of economy: name your product, name your price, name a need you never had before you needed naming.

to name a thing is to seek power; to seek power is to lose the self; the naming of things continues the impossible task of self-destruction, a frustrating enterprise that further corrupts the self by attempting the destruction of what is always nameless and indestructible.

to learn the language of the universe (our home) we must listen deeply.

the material plane loses its gravity, its solidity.

the ground going out under our feet feels welcome, uplifts us.

the need to crown the victors and mourn the victims becomes unnecessary.

the words to describe the reversal of survival so that "life is the only thing worth living for" hold no meaning.

we will play as we cannot imagine through the blind ditch of quaking egos that have taken us nowhere, for we have never ever needed any other place to go, being beings in outer space as always we have been.

we will play with the energy of countless nodes of the self knowing no rules or roles, no winners or losers, no beginning and no end.

there is no accounting, for there remains nothing of a world in which the only problem is the invention of problems that are not.

the end of this world is the end of everything we see wrong with it:
and the end of sickness is healing,
and the end of war is peace,
and the end of hatred is love,
and the end of greed is sharing,
and the end of fear is courage,
and the end of separation is togetherness,
and the end of enmity is amity,
and the end of discord is harmony,
and the end of economy is ecology,
and the end of death is life,
and the end of space is utopia,
and the end of time is eternity,
and the end of the materialist stranglehold we maintain by judging each body feeble and in need of protection and shelter is our release to rejoin the self we still hide from in each other.

this may not be right, but it isn't wrong.

dance
sing
play

peace...